the deficit is too big. we are not using the right baseline because we are assuming 8% increases every year as far as the eye can see and what bothers me in all of this, karl, is that the tea party's attack, "wall street journal," nro, weekly standard, they are called hob bits, senator mix cane mccain, it iss compromise mentality that gave us this debt and the tea party by -- this is what they said what they wanted from the elected officials they are standing on a principle. when did it become a bad thing to stand on your principles? >> i think you are right but let's remember this is about the debt ceiling that is part of but in some ways separate from the broader question of the deficit. and we have turned the debt ceiling into a welcome opportunity to do something about the deficit but we shouldn't expect to get everything done on this debt ceiling vote that needs to be done on the deficit because some involves deep structural reforms that ought to be discussed and debated for the good of the country. >>